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"Bury Me With My Phillipson Bamboo Fly Rods," Part III

By Tom Chandler 5/14/2007 5 minutes

Finally -- the last installment of my series on Phillipson Bamboo Fly Rods.

Missed the earlier installments? Click to read Part I and Part II. Otherwise, feel free to add Phillipson-related comments at the bottom.

Due to the length, you'll have to click the "Read More" link below to read the whole thing.

Enjoy!

Bury Me With My Phillipson Bamboo Fly Rods -- The Final Installment
What's most remarkable about Phillipson's bamboo fly rods is that – for all their fishability and bulletproof construction -- they weren't designed to empty the pocketbooks of the wealthy.

Phillipson's rods – along with Heddons and Grangers (remember, Phillipson supervised Granger production after Goodwin Granger's death in the early 1930s) – occupy a narrow niche in the fly rod continuum.

That niche? Production fly rods that cast and fish as well as any rod, but do so at a price that almost anyone could afford.

Phillipson Power-Pakt bamboo fly rod

A varnished Power-Pakt (refinished).

A worthy goal, and his success in achieving it drives me to declare Bill Phillipson the most under-appreciated builder of the bamboo's "Golden Age."

And -- unlike so many of the more famous Eastern builders (who died paupers) – Phillipson's rod building company was successful, and remained so after the market switched to fiberglass rods in the early 50s.

Phillipson's Bamboo Fly Rods
While the prices for his rods varied – his early rods ranged from $20 to $75 – his least-expensive 8.5' rod used the same exact taper as the most-expensive 8.5' taper.

So while his high-end models featured high-graded cane, silk wraps and (sometimes) better reel seats than the cheaper models, they all fished pretty much the same.

When he started selling bamboo in 1946, his lineup was simple (from least to most expensive):

Pacemaker

Power-Pakt

Paramount

Premium

The next year he added the Paragon to the bottom of the line ($19.95) , but by all accounts, his Pacemaker was his most popular rod.

I've owned two Pacemakers and frankly, they fished on a par with my top-of-the-line Premiums – a reality that didn't escape the rod buyers of the time.

With little difference between grades, all that's really left are the different lengths, tapers and finishes, which varied over time.

For example, his varnished rods reigned supreme in the latter half of the 1940s, but in the early 1950s, Phillipson added the impregnated Peerless and Preferred models to the line, after which time his varnished rods didn't occupy much space in his catalog.

Instead, fiberglass and impregnated bamboo (lower maintenance) rods were Phillipson's best sellers.

Phillipson Peerless bamboo fly rod

A well-used Peerless Impregnated rod; redder than the caramel-colored varnished rods.

Phillipson's Tapers
Bill Phillipson's rods were built to handle the larger fish, bigger rivers and windier conditions often found in the West.

Over a day of fishing, you could expect to encounter everything from a small stream with little fish to a big river, big fish, and a little wind.

A rod capable of handling those conditions probably wouldn't be shorter than 8', and it certainly wouldn't offer a spongy action like so many of the Eastern wands.

Still, it's interesting how many people dismiss Phillipson's rods as "Western wind rods," yet rave about the Granger tapers, many of which differ only slightly from the Phillipson tapers.

It's true that I find Phillipson's short rods a little on the strong side; the 7' and 7.5' Phillipsons aren't (in my opinion) his best tapers.

I once owned a 7.5' 5wt Phillipson Premium, and though it was a good taper, it was a strong 5wt – a stronger rod than I'd ever use in a 7.5' rod.

Since it didn't measure up to any of the four Phillipson 8' rods I owned, I sold it. Then again, I don't get warm and fuzzy about most 7' and 7.5' rods, so perhaps I'm a poor analyst.

8' Tapers: the Fly Rod Sweet Spot
When you pick up and wiggle a 8' or 8.5' Phillipson, you've landed squarely on the Phillipson Rod Company's sweet spot.

I'd stack these tapers against any produced by more famous (and more expensive) builders, with only a handful of far more expensive rods truly providing alternatives.

I own several Phillipson 8' 5wts, and while my early model "Premium" is a lighter-actioned rod than my late-model Peerless impregnated rods, all exhibit an unbelievably sweet, smooth action.

The later rods are particularly suited to everything from flinging a small dry to chunking a weighted stonefly nymph – a claim you can't make with many of the delicate, light-tipped tapers favored by collectors.

I find Phillipson 8' rods equally at home in situations ranging from a small freestoner to a fast-moving drift boat.

They load and unload smoothly and without hinging, and yet they're remarkably light in the hand. Indeed, many times I've laid out a long cast with one, and figured I somehow just cheated gravity.

The 8.5' Rods: Fishing Tapers for Fishermen
Bamboo rods in the 8.5' 5wt format are a problem for even modern rod builders. That's the point where bamboo can start to feel a little heavy, and building a taper that feels light in the hand yet fishes beautifully becomes a challenge.

Phillipson's "standard" 8.5' taper straddles this difficult fence beautifully; I've seen it described as a "Western wind rod," a great "all-around" stick, and even as the ideal rod for fishing small flies to savvy fish.

Conflicting representations? Sure. Indicators that this rod can perform many different functions?

Surely.

Phillipson bamboo fly rod grips

The top is an elliptical "hammer handle" grip on a Premium. The bottom is the "Torpedo" style. Note the highly functional lightweight metal reel seats.

Much has been written about the qualities of the Granger 8642 (an 8.5' 5wt), yet little mention is made of the nearly identical Phillipson version of the rod.

Michael Sinclair – noted rod historian and author – once told me that when Bill Phillipson started the Phillipson rod company, he built his 8.5' taper by retaining the best qualities of the Granger 8642, modifying the rod only slightly.

As a result, the 8.5' Phillipson casts a DT5 line beautifully, yet fishes wonderfully even at close range.

In my opinion, the only rods that truly surpass it might be a few hollowbuilt numbers – rods far too labor-intensive for any production builder to make.

In addition to his "standard" 8.5 taper, Phillipson later introduced the "Dry Fly Special" – a faster taper that cast best with a 6wt and presaged the industry trend towards steeper rod tapers.

I'm not overly enamored of the Dry Fly Special (despite owning two of them), but admit that it's an easier rod for most to cast, and its popularity can't be denied. It's an excellent windy day rod and like all Phillipsons, it's bulletproof.

Other Phillipson Tapers
I own a 9' Phillipson, and find it a useful rod on lakes, but it's pushing the boundary of comfort over the course of a day. 9.5' Phillipsons were also produced, but they're relatively rare on the market, and a handful on the water.

Phillipson also produced a 4-pc Smuggler travel rod, a Haywood Zephyr, a handful of private label rods (for LL Bean, Abercrombie & Fitch, and others), and few odds and ends.

Still, fishermen will primarily be interested in Phillipson's 7.5' - 8.5' rods.

The Fiberglass Era
By the early 1950s, fiberglass fly rods quickly grew to dominate the fly rod industry. Phillipson liked fiberglass for its low cost, ease of manufacturing, lighter weight and lower manufacturing costs, and wholeheartedly embraced the material.

Indeed, his glass rods are widely regarded as the finest of the era, with only a few custom builders challenging his superiority.

Phillipson invented the first pressurized curing system, where fiberglass blanks were cured in a pressurized bag – a technique that eliminated strength-sapping voids in the blank wall.

He also worked with fiberglass supplier 3M – the company that eventually bought the Phillipson Rod company – in the development of uni-directional fiberglass pre-peg for use in rods.

His Epoxite rods represented the height of glass rod production, and his Epoxite Registered Midge rods (6.5' 4wt and 5wt rods that were ahead of their time) are rarely seen, and sell in the four-figure range.

Today's Phillipsons
Phillipson's bamboo rods haven't enjoyed the demand from collectors other rods do – a fact appreciated by those of us who love them for their fishing qualities.

Indeed, while Granger prices grew to stratospheric levels, Phillipsons lagged, though in today's vintage bamboo rod market, nothing comes cheap.

Less than ten years ago, a good condition 8.5' Phillipson could be bought for as little as $250, and within the last ten years, I acquired a pair of great-condition 8' Phillipsons for $350 apiece.

Bargains at twice the price.

Today, excellent+ condition 8' Phillipsons are more often found in the $500-$900 range, with the 8.5' rods a little less expensive.

Compared to Grangers and many of the more-hyped rods from eastern builders, they're still an excellent deal.

Phillipson rods were never built for display under glass, and in today's collector-oriented atmosphere, that's a one-way trip to the "we're not interested" zone.

That's too bad for them, but good for those of us who simply like to fish the things – as Bill Phillipson clearly intended.

See you on the river (Phillipson in hand), Tom Chandler.

A 1952 Phillipson ad. By 1953, fiberglass rods reigned, and the bamboo was mostly impregnated rods. (click the image to see a larger version of the scan.)

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Destinations

Ennis Montana

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This is a small town with a big heart, a veritable fisherman’s paradise. Located near the fish-filled Madison River, and surrounded by the waters of Ennis Lake, the Ruby River, Hebgen ... moreLake, Quake Lake, Henry’s Lake, the Big Hole River and scores of smaller streams, the town boasts what many consider the best trout fishing in the world. As well known for its wranglers as its anglers, Ennis has succeeded in maintaining the look and feel of its original, gold town roots. Warm and hospitable, the area offers a wide variety of accommodations ranging from simple campsites, rustic motels and gracious hotels, to full-service, luxury resorts. Fly shops are numerous, stocked by local experts ready to advise and assist, while guides can be booked for trips throughout the area.

Boredom is the only thing unavailable in Ennis. Throughout the summer season the city hosts a series of events, including its renowned 4th of July Celebration Parade and a genuine, old-fashioned rodeo. In August, fly-fishing luminaries from around the US, flock to Montana to compete in the Madison Fly Fishing Festival. Athletes also find their way to Ennis to compete in the city’s Madison Trifecta, two shorter races followed by a full Marathon at 9000 feet, the highest elevation run in America. For the true sportsman, October falls in with the annual Hunter’s Feed. What’s caught, typically elk, moose deer, pheasant and bobcat, gets cooked on the streets and served up to hungry spectators.

Flanked by three grand mountain ranges, The Tobacco Root, Gravelly and Madison, Ennis is scenic and entertaining – truly an authentic, fly fisher’s haven.

Trips:

4 Days 4 Rivers Fly Fishing Package in Montana

Float Trip on the Yellowstone River with Zach Neville Outfitters

Float Trip on the Upper Madison River with Zach Neville Outfitters

All 61 Fishing Trips

Fishing Waters:

Gallatin River Fishing Report

Ruby River Fishing Report

Jefferson River Fishing Report

All 6 Fishing Water Reports

Destination Blogs:

Learning to Fly Fish in Montana

Fly Fishing Packing Check List for Montana

Perfect Day Fly Fishing: the Gardens at Ennis Montana

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Fishing Waters

Snake River Fishing Report

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Jackson is the ideal hub for exploring the Snake River, a surging, full spirited river that provides a direct connection between Yellowstone National Park and Grand Teton National ... morePark. The setting is breathtakingly beautiful – jagged peaks jutting into the sky while the river and its maze of channels and tributaries “snake” their way through the verdant, lush valley. Important to early explorers seeking passage west, the Pacific and Atlantic Creeks reach the Continental Divide at Two Ocean Pass near Jackson and part ways. The Atlantic Creek turns east, merges into the Yellowstone River and eventually flows into the Missouri while the Pacific Creek turns west and merges into the Snake, becoming the largest tributary of the Columbia, eventually reaching the ocean.

Known for its own unique trout, the Snake River finespotted cutthroat can only be found in the waters around the Jackson Hole valley. Considered by experts to have once been the only trout species in the Western interior, it has evolved into 14 different subspecies. To this day, its native range is limited to the upper Snake from Heart Lake to the Palisades Reservoir. Despite the finespotted’s hearty, undiscerning appetite and a seeming willingness to eat just about anything, experienced anglers view this fish as the most aggressive, hardest fighting trout to snare. As a result, when you catch one you earn major bragging rights.

The most heavily fished areas of the Snake’s run through western Wyoming are the 35 miles in the park between Jackson Dam and the 17 remaining miles flowing through Jackson Hole. This section of the river is ranked as one of the best dry-fly streams in the West. Snake enthusiasts recommend floating the river although newcomers are advised to only go with a guide and veterans are reminded to exercise caution, as the water can be turbulent and unpredictable. Should you decide to wade, be mindful of swift currents along undercut banks and stick to quiet, shallow river sections and side channels. Great stream fishing can be found at Gros Ventre River and Flat Creek.

Game Fish Opportunities:

Guide Reports:

South Fork Snake River Fishing Report

Skwalas on the Snake River

Warmer weather should make for good fishing ahead on the Snake River

Fishing Trips:

Snake River Float Trip with Snake River Angler

Jefferson River Fishing Report

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The Jefferson River is an important part of a system of rivers that combine to form the majestic Missouri. Starting at the confluence of the Big Hole and Beaverhead rivers near Twin ... moreBridges, Montana, it winds 77 miles in a northeasterly fashion to Three Forks. Here, it meets with the Madison and Gallatin rivers that together converge into the Missouri River at the Missouri Headwaters State Park. Like so many other rivers in Montana, the Jefferson, named by Clark in honor of the U.S. President, runs deep with history. In fact, the Jefferson River is a segment of the larger Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail, administered by our National Park Service.

When thinking about the Jefferson, a Class 1 river for recreational enjoyment, most observers view the river in three distinct sections. Characterized by slow, meandering flows, the upper third works its way through a broad, arid valley. Along this braided, 44 mile long floodplain, you will encounter working farms, dense cottonwood stands, flowered meadows and a variety of wildlife until you reach the town of Cardwell. Throughout the next 15 miles, its waters flow through a narrow, steep canyon where the water can be deep, slow and contained. As a result, the stretch from Cardwell to the Sappington Bridge has comparatively fewer trees, swamps, meadows and wildlife.

At Sappington Bridge the river once again becomes a circuitous, rambling river, rich in swamp life, colorful fields, large cottonwood groves and productive agricultural land. The presence of significant agriculture has resulted in competition for water use. During dry years, the river was tapped generously for irrigation, dropping water levels to the point where fish populations were adversely affected. Recent improvement in riparian management has tended to alleviate these issues. Primarily known as a brown trout river, rainbows, mountain whitefish, burbot and northern pike can also be found here. Less well known and less discovered, the Jefferson offers the opportunity to catch large fish in a scenic, un-crowded environment.

Game Fish Opportunities:

Guide Reports:

Jefferson river fishing report

Jefferson river

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Fishing Trips:

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Madison River Fishing Report

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The Madison River is arguably one of the best trout fishing rivers in all of southwest Montana, if not the entire world! It’s certainly the most talked over, written up and frequented ... morein the state of Montana – which is considered by some the capital of fly fishing. Anglers will find plenty of great access sites to wade or float along the Madison’s banks and reservoirs (including Hebgen Lake and Ennis Lake). Rainbows, browns, cutthroats, and more abound in this majestic fishing stream.

The Madison begins its course almost twenty miles into Yellowstone National Park. Within the Park, fishing rules apply: no live bait and catch and release only. Once outside the Park the river meanders past working ranches, stately conifer forests and cottonwood lined banks, interrupted by riffles and quiet runs that contain large rainbow and trophy brown trout. Flowing alongside Yellowstone’s West entrance road, the river enters Hebgen Lake, created by Hebgen dam, until it reaches Quake Lake, a bit downstream from the dam. At this point the river is commonly called either the Upper Madison or the Lower Madison, although in fact, they are one and the same.

Upper Madison – Quake Lake to Ennis Lake
Directly below Quake Lake the river roars into 5 long miles of Class V whitewater with steep gradients and large boulders along the way. As the rapids decline, the magic begins. For the next 53 miles, often referred to as the 50 Mile Riffle, the cold river runs north and the fish jump high. Annual runs of spawning trout make their way from Hebgen Lake, rainbows in the spring and browns in the fall. Known the world over for its “hard fighting” trout, it’s not unusual to pull a 25” brown from these upper waters. In deference to the purists and fly-fishing enthusiasts, it’s wading only from Quake Lake to Lyons Bridge. Boats may be used to access the river, but if you’re going to fish, your feet must be on the riverbed. Fortunately, the Hebgen Dam releases water throughout the year, leveling its flows and relieving it of spring runoff issues and summer shrinkage.

Lower Madison – Ennis Lakes to Three Forks
A short section of the river between Ennis Dam and the power station maintains relatively low water levels and provides wonderful opportunities for wading. Past the power station the river regains its muscle and for 7 miles winds through Bear Trap Canyon. Hiking trails offer the only entry, great for those that like to walk and seek the solitude of a designated wilderness area. Floating is permitted but requires a lengthy shuttle and the ability to work through Class III-IV whitewater. Once out of the canyon the river flows in shallow riffles until it reaches Three Forks and joins the Missouri. From Warm Springs to Greycliff, the river is easily accessible for drifters and wading.

Game Fish Opportunities:

Guide Reports:

Madison River Fishing Report

Up to Date Fishing Report for Madison River September

Hot Weather and Great Fishing - Madison River Report

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Fishing Trips:

4 Days 4 Rivers Fly Fishing Package in Montana

Float Trip on the Upper Madison River with Zach Neville Outfitters

Float Trip on the Lower Madison River with Zach Neville Outfitters

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Fishing Access Sites:

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Ruby Creek Recreation Area

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Blogs:

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Getting Your Fishing License in Ennis, Montana

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Trips

Jefferson River Float Trips with Montana Fly Fishing Trips

500

/ Boat

Capacity:

1 - 2 anglers

Days:

Daily

Duration:

1 day

Fishing Waters:

Jefferson River Fishing Report

Destination:

West Yellowstone Montana

Missoula Montana

Ennis Montana

The what? Yah, it's not the Madison or other rivers in Montana that you read about every other week. Good. The Jefferson River isn't an easy fishery unless you really know it. The ... morefish aren't always jumping in the boat but if you wanna try something new and a little different, you may be rewarded...

5 Fishing Days on the Madison River with Red Mountain Adventures

1,625-

1,925

/ Boat

Capacity:

1 - 3 anglers

Days:

Daily

Duration:

5 days

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Fishing Waters:

Ennis Lake Fishing Report

Madison River Fishing Report

Destination:

Ennis Montana

Experience the Madison River Like Never Before Learn the best spots on the Madison River with 5 great fishing days with Red Mountain Adventures. Eric Shores, with over 35 years of ... moreexperiencing guiding on the Madison River will take you down a journey of the best places to fish.

The journey starts on the Upper Madison River on a guided float trip covering about 8-11 miles of premier fly fishing water. The following day includes a recipe (location flies, and technique) on a do it yourself wade location near the fly fishing town of Ennis. The third day moves you on to where the Madison River dumps into Ennis Lake for a full float day stalking the giants. The following day provides instructions again for a do it yourself wade day. Location will depend on the hot locations during your visit. The final day is another full day float day on the lower Madison River. All together, you will experience the Madison River like never before by true expert.

Note: The order or location may change based on where the best spots are at the time.

Luxury Lodging and Madison River Fishing Package in Ennis, Montana

1,800-

3,850

/ Angler

Capacity:

1 - 2 anglers

Days:

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Duration:

3 days - 6 days

Fishing Waters:

Madison River Fishing Report

Destination:

Ennis Montana

NorthShore of the Madison The Madison Valley is a 360 degree postcard year round with some of the most picturesqe views on earth. A cup of coffee during sunrise or a glass of wine ... moreat sunset are unforgettable here. You can count on the NorthShore of the Madison Lodge delivering the best possible view this valley has to offer. This luxury vacation rental near Ennis is complete with all the finest furnishings and amenities. Trout Stalkers offers all-inclusive fly fishing vacation packages that include fishing trips on the Madison River and 5-Star meals from the area's top chefs. The NorthShore of the Madison is one of a kind!

Packages include accommodations, meals, and guides. All package prices are based on double occupancy and a shared guide. The additional single supplement charge is to cover the expense of an additional guide boat for each fishing day. A 7% Montana lodging tax hasbeen added.

3 day packages include 2 days of guided fishing.

4 day packages include 3 days of guided fishing.

5 day packages include 4 days of guided fishing.

6 day packages include 5 days of guided fishing.

Outfitters

Rainbow Valley Lodge

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On the edge of the Town of Ennis, Montana, where the sweeping Madison River Valley opens wide, you’ll find the Rainbow Valley Lodge. Warm, welcoming hosts, Ed and Jeanne Williams, ... morewill make your visit to the Old West Town of Ennis, Montana a special one. Rainbow Valley Lodge provides welcoming accommodations at an affordable price.

Make the Rainbow Valley Lodge your fly fishing headquarter as you tackle our world-class trout. Get fishing tips in our O’Dell Creek Fly Shop located in the Lodge. The Lodge caters to fly fishing on the Madison River and O’Dell Spring Creek. Partnering with Riverborn Outfitters, we offer fly fishing vacation packages.

The private waters of the O'Dell Creek are available to the discerning flyfisher for a nominal rod fee and the lodge limits rods to 4 per day. This beautiful, clear flowing tributary to the Madison River in Ennis, Montana, is a challenging and technical fishery. Meandering through meadows, the stream is a series of riffles and pools. Fish sit tight to the banks, fly presentation is very important to caught these wary trout. The scenery surrounding O’Dell Spring Creek is nothing short of spectacular. To the East, the peaks of the Madison Mountain Range soar into the sky while the gently rolling Gravelly Mountains are to the west. Water temperature in the creek on summer days only reaches as high as 65 degrees.

Fishing Trips:

3 Nights, 2 Days, 2 Stretches Tour of the Madison River

Two Night Spring Fishing Package

Outfitter Blogs:

The Big Day

Does He Have the Fishing Gene

Midnight Stoneflies

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Tom Chandler

As the author of the decade leading fly fishing blog Trout Underground, Tom believes that fishing is not about measuring the experience but instead of about having fun. As a staunch environmentalist, he brings to the Yobi Community thought leadership on environmental and access issues facing us today.

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TODD

Aug 31, 2015

Hi...Just aquired a 8' phillipson eponite...Have no idea what I have or what its worth ..can u enlighten me?.....thx

Tom C

Jan 27, 2014

Rockwater: Hi Tom, I am expanding my business to include bamboo rods.Can you give me some recommendations for suppliers of quality new bamboo blanks please?There are a lot of suppliers out there and I’d rather deal with a trusted recommendation from you or your fans.Thanks.JDP I'm not very current on who's building what these days. A few guys build blanks, but for most, money was better selling completed ... more rods. Sorry.

Rockwater

Jan 26, 2014

Hi Tom, I am expanding my business to include bamboo rods. Can you give me some recommendations for suppliers of quality new bamboo blanks please? There are a lot of suppliers out there and I'd rather deal with a trusted recommendation from you or your fans. Thanks. JDP

Paul

Sep 13, 2013

Last week I bought an Orvis 6 1/2 ft 6wt two piece one tip rod in almost mint condition for 300.00, and as I was looking at it the guy says "I,ll throw this in if it will make you happy" Its is a 9ft paragon with two perfect tips all in excellent condition, bag clean too, no tube. he said it was a dragon rod and it "must have been made in china" you could have knocked me over with a feather. I said.. ... more "well ..ok" The Orvis is worth 500.00 to 700.00 alone. I took it to Art weiler in pa near where I live and he was bowled over with it.

Michael K

Oct 6, 2012

I frequently fish with a 6 wt Paragon and found that an old Pfluger No. 1495 balances very well without blowing giant chunks of cash on stuff with agate guides.

Tom C

Sep 26, 2012

I really don't believe in balancing a fly rod with the reel outside of not being too warped about it. An ultralight graphite rod probably needs a very light reel, but trying to "balance" a 9' bamboo rod (which I don't fish very often) feels like an exercise in hurting yourself in order to reach a somewhat illusory goal. I moved all my 6wt lines to one of those Orvis Clearwater reels (plastic reel ... more with $39 spools), and I the one time I cast the 8.5' Dry Fly Special I didn't notice a problem. Best I can do...

Muddymsfly

Sep 25, 2012

Tom, Which reel do you use on your 9' Phillipson and on the Dry Fly rods? I'm finding the 9' Power Pakt model a little tip heavy with a Hatch 5+ (6.5oz + backing and line). I should have the DFS Pacemaker, a Paragon and a Chiefton glass in later this week. I have a several of the Phillipson ANF glass rods. Hoping to get a hold of a couple later glass rods before too long as well as a shorter length ... more bamboo. I blame your article for this...

Ed

Jul 30, 2012

Tom, Since I didn't receive a response from you regarding the Phillipson fiberglass S86 8.5' fly rod, I did a little investigation of my own, finding the fiberglass rod forum site. After a few inquiries I have concluded it probably wouldn't matter if the tip was full length or not, the rods value is low, and a tube/bag would not change it's value much more that the cost of those items, if I was lucky. ... more Although, it cast well with the short tip a new tip or repair would probably cost more than the rod is worth. So restoration is out of question. It would make someone a nice affordable Bass/fly rod as is though. My collecting/restoration activities are and have been focused on early 20th C bamboo fly rods for sometime, while fiberglass has not been my area of interest. I have discovered when it comes to bamboo rod tapers there is not much new under the Sun. Many makers/production company's used the same/very similar tapers for their best rods throughout time. So it is of little surprise Phillipson would have gleaned his tapers from his experience and input at Granger. While Granger would have developed their best from known examples. Just as Hawes, Payne, Thomas, Edwards, and Varney where on the same page after leaving Leonard at about the same time. Much like artist sharing influence/ideas through history.

Todd

Jul 30, 2012

Eugene, i had two if my Phillipsons restored by a guy in denver, co. I will try to find his name again if you would want to ship them out to him. He did a great job for me.

Eugene P

Jul 30, 2012

, I inherited a phillipson pacemaker my dad owned. I remember my dad fishing with it, I was maybe 7or8years old, he used to fish in lake xolotlan in managua Nicaragua and I remember the big bass he used to catch.by the way ,I am 72 years old.the second eyelet from the bottom is missing, the cork handle is ok but fragiled, and the end section of the rod where it connects to middle section is worn after ... more 30 years of use by my dad. He is gone now and would like to restore this rod and was wondering if you do that or recommend someone who would do ir. thanh you so much.trying to send some pics.

Don H

Jun 7, 2012

I have a Antique White Bear Fly Rod, never used and still in the original sealed box, are you interested in it/ Thanks Don Hirschman

Tom C

Nov 28, 2011

The Phillipsons are now in the neighborhood of 60 years old, so the glue on the ferrules is starting to give up the ghost. Michael Sinclair suggested those little sticks of hot melt glue (he mentioned the fishing specific ones you buy from rod building supply stores) were a good replacement when the Phillipsons gave up the ghost. As for the thread, I'd have to dig into my old books to get a sense ... more of the color of thread used on the Power-Pakt, though what's also true is that after all these years, the thread on the rod has probably faded/changed color due to exposure to sunlight, so even the "original" thread wouldn't look right. Michael Sinclair's Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook only says the Power-Pakt wraps were yellow nylon, though later it lists the Gudebrod color number as 6778. Unfortunately, I believe Gudebrod went out of business, but at least this is a start.

Michael K

Nov 26, 2011

I recently bought a Phillipson 9 1/2 ' Powr Pakt in nice original shape. Both tips straight and full length, good finish overall, nice reel seat with the hammer handle which is a little weird but kind of like the details on other stuff from the fifties. I took it out and cast the thing with a DT7 Cortland 444 Sylk and found it to do quite well. It is a slow but efficient action that definitely puts ... more your flies out in public view. I found a loose ferrule on the top of the second section which did not rock but wants to pull off. What kind of glue was used and what was the gold yellow thread on the Powr Pakt model? I'm guessing it's a nylon and not a silk thread. Please help! -Mike

Dan M

Nov 16, 2011

Been fishing it for years with a DT 6 - no wonder its so slow ! Love it like that though!

Michael K

Nov 16, 2011

Hi Tom, What a great site for Phillipson info! I recently ran across a 8'6" Paragon with silver anodized seat and plain goldish green wraps, no tip colors, in new condition in a cardboard tube. It is strung up with a dt6 line and I am addicted. I also just found a Powr Pakt 9'6" for an HCH line. I occasionally use some heavier nymphs and fish them shortline style. I also figure chucking hex pattern ... more dries might benefit from this thing. It has a satin finish on it with a hammer handle on it using a gold anodized seat with brown plastic spacer. How can I date these things? _Mike

Robert F

Oct 8, 2011

I have a phillipson smuggler in excellent condition except it is missing the tip. Any ideas on how to get a replacement tip.

Chad

Sep 21, 2011

I just bought a vintage Phillipson "The Scout TS 70" and it is in great shape with nothing broken or marred and I was wondering what the approximate value might be. I have no idea of its actual age but the rod itself is a dark red/maroon with blue/green wrapping on the eyelets. Please help.

Tom C

Jul 5, 2011

That's a great rod. Fished the heck out of mine, though with a DT 5...

Dan M

Jul 5, 2011

I fish with an 8 1/2 DT 6 Wt Pacemaker on rivers here in the Rocky Mountains - love the slow action. Would never give up this rod. Somehow it just feels right to fish with wood. Thanks for all the info on Phillipson rods.

Bill

Jun 17, 2011

Hey Tom: I'm looking at pictures of an 8.5' Pacemaker 3/2 described as being" in storage for the last 15 years and in excellent condition, probably unfished", although the cork is uncovered. The pictures, however, show the ferrules are black as are the guides and the wrappings are in what looks like a solid brown. I thought the wrappings were either supposed to be green tinged in yellow or black. ... more The reel seat is black. Unless this rod was refinished can you tell me whether either Phillipson or 3M ever changed the wrapping color? Who would bother to refinish the rod and not use the correct color nylon thread? It doesn't make sense. Though the rod looks good in pictures, should I stay away from it?

Ed P

May 27, 2011

Tom, I enjoyed reading your articles on the history of Phillipson, I am a novice collector/restorer of vintage bamboo fly rods, I have amassed a fair collection, first having a quest to acquire the best examples of the major makers and then find my niche with a specific makers work. As you know the quest for a good rods often means looking for bargains with often comes with parts rods as part of the ... more main sell. Well I am not a glass rod collector as such, but have a few Heddon glass rods to harvest parts for the bamboo Heddons on occasion. I recently purchased a 7'6" 2/2 bamboo rod and along with it was a Phillipson S86 through in as part of the deal. I know nothing about this rod, nothing is written and I found the Wiki site lacking on details as it is coming up to speed. After logging the rod I found the tip is down about 10" making the rod 7'7" otherwise complete and fishable. My question is I believe this was a 8'6" rod originally and not knowing if it was a 2/2 or 2/1 or what the tube and bag looks like, to make it complete I would have to acquire a new tip and the tube and bag. What did they look like and where would I find that information to make this a complete set as original? Thank you for your efforts.

Vince S

May 25, 2011

Hey thanks for the interesting site... I have a 9' 5 5/8 HCH Pacemaker!!!!!With 2 tips and the fabric and metal container!!Bamboo Anyone interested can e-mail me!!Thanks for the info!!

Tom C

May 1, 2011

I've heard some describe the "standard" 8.5' Phillipson as a 6wt, but my guess is your Hunter is a Phillipson Dry Fly Special -- a stronger, faster version of the "standard" 8.5' Phillipson that was pretty clearly a 6wt (I've forgotten the ferrule measurements for each). It's a very useful rod, though I find it a hair stiff and don't like it as much as the standard rod.

Tom K

May 1, 2011

Thanks for this series, it is very informative. I own an 8.5' Ed Hunter Approved, built by Phillipson, with 17 and 11 ferrules. This rod is a solid 6 weight, an opinion echoed by Ernest Schwiebert in "Trout". I am interested in acquiring another 8.5' Phillipson, but the seller states this rod is marked as a 5 and is a solid 5 weight. Other than the DFS, were there variations in the 8.5' taper that ... more would make one a 6 wt and one a 5 wt?

Tom C

Mar 31, 2011

"HDH" is the old line rating system, and while it's not exact, it roughly corresponds to a modern 6wt double-taper.Which is what I throw on the Dry Fly Specials, though I admit to finding them a little to stiff to wholly fall in love with them.

Matthew C

Mar 31, 2011

Hi Tom, I've really enjoyed your site, which I found some time ago searching for information on Phillipson rods. I have a rod marked Phillipson Premium "51", Dry Fly Special, 81/2 - 51/2 HDH. It matches the description in the 52' catalog page posted in this article. I read that this was he marked al the rods made in 1951 for his 5 year anniversary but also read that there is no discernible pattern ... more to the numbers and that perhaps they were inspectors or the like? Can you shed any more light on this? Also, do you know what the HDH stands for? This rod was handed down to me and I wasn't sure if I should fish it or not but after reading your article, I realized it would be a shame not to get it on the water. Thanks! Matt

Jeff P

Mar 26, 2011

I have a Phillipson rod made of fiberglass , you can mount a reel in two positions. The markings on the rod are P7D5L 1/4 oz. what can you tell me about it?

Tom C

Sep 27, 2010

If it's round, it's a Phillipson fiberglass rod. Feel free to fish it, though if it has metal ferrules, be aware of any "clunking" sensation when you cast the thing - the ferrule glue may have loosened. I'm not really current on the value of Phillipson glass rods; Google the Fiberglass Fly Rod forum and check there.

Kbarton10

Sep 27, 2010

Jerry, An HCH line loosely translates to an AFTMA #7 A conversion chart for old lines exists here. http://www.herndonrods.com/choosing_a_silk_and_synthetic_fly_line.htm

Jerry D

Sep 27, 2010

Hi Tom, Great reading in this forum. I own a Phillipson "The Scout" TS 90, 9' 2 piece with HCH line weight.(which equals what?) It has a red anodized reel seat and guides wrapped with a medium blue silk. With everything that I have read I have yet to see anything on The Scout model. It appears to be be a varnished finish on the round rod. Any information you may have would be greatly appreciated. ... more Also a ball park value because of my fear of fishing this rod and not wanting to destroy it in any way. So far the rod is absolutely great to cast! Thanks very much! Jerry DeGroat

Tom C

Sep 18, 2010

9' rods are the "standard" in fly fishing, and were common even in the days of bamboo. I'd suggest the average rod length back then was shorter, but 9' was still a common length.

Thomas R

Sep 18, 2010

-- just found an old article in the Yankee Magazine about the difficulty of fishing the Battenkill, by Tappley. I was astounded that he used a nine foot fly rod, of unmentioned make. Isn't this unusual?

Tom C

Sep 17, 2010

I have (3) Phillipson Peerless bamboo rods that have never been fished and (14) Phillipson/3M epoxite rods that are in reasonably good condition. Also have the SA/Hardy reels that match up with these rods. Is there a forum for collectors that might be interested in any or all of this equipment? Just fishing.nbsp;nbsp; It sounds like you missed the subsuquent post about the Phillipsons; turns out the ... more EPA determined that a chemical used in the impregnated Phillipsons and late-model glass rods (like the Epoxites) was so toxic that the rods aren't supposed to be used or even touched for fear of immediate contamination, followed by a long, painful, lingering death. Things are grim enough that only two dump sites hold high enough hazard ratings for safe disposal, and the first is closing, leaving only the western installation (somewhere near the Northern California border). I can give you my the hazardous waste dump address if you email me. If you insist on endangering yourself and loved ones, the Classic Bamboo Fly Rod Forum would help with the bamboo (though many of them are not as enamored of the impregnated Phillipsons as I am). You can find out more about the Epoxites at the Fiberglass Fly Rod Forum.

Daniel L

Sep 17, 2010

Tom C

Aug 25, 2010

It's hard to tell from your post. Up until a few years ago, some Phillipson bait casting rods fetched astounding sums from overseas collectors. The spinning rods aren't usually that valuable, though many of the fly rods are worth a fair chunk, though the "standard" fiberglass models aren't wildly expensive. Some phillipson glass fly rods might be worth less than $100; lay your hands on an epoxite ... more registered midge rod and you've got something worth well over $500. Bamboo fly rods are worth quite a bit more. I can't tell you much more; consider getting an appraisal from someone (you'll need to get the rods to them or get pictures), but you're potentially sitting on a fair chunk of change...

Christine K

Aug 23, 2010

My dad was buddies with Bill Phillipson, as my dad's garage was only a couple blocks from Phillipson's shop. I have a custom Phillipson pole that my dad ordered for me as a child, so it's shorter than an adult pole, and it has my name engraved on it. We also have a whole bunch of other Phillipson poles, not really sure if they're casting or fly rods. I was using a Phillipson Royal this weekend up ... more at Sweetwater and caught a bunch of beautiful trout, but my friend thought maybe I should think twice about using that pole! Where would I be able to find out if these are worth more to enshrine or should I just continue to use them?

Tom C

Jun 22, 2010

My 8' Premium offers a faster taper but a lighter tip than my 8' impregnated Phillipsons, but as to why that rod is different from your other varnished Phillipsons I can't say for sure. The Premiums got the best cane and perhaps that's a factor. I have no information about a change in the taper itself, but I will say it wouldn't be unusual for a rodmaker to alter a taper or perhaps even create a more ... more "custom" version of a rod for a good customer. Unlike today's mass-produced rods, bamboo is never really consistent.

Tom C

Jun 22, 2010

Jack; Must have missed your comment. Like all the non-impregnated bamboo Phillipsons, it's almost certainly made from 1946-1952. I've given up offering price quotes on this blog since one man's $350 rod is another's $1,000.

Shawn S

Jun 21, 2010

Been fishing Bamboo for about three years and have picked up a few WM Grangers and Phillipsons along the way. My favorites so far are the 8' Phillipsons (I haven't yet been able to acquire a Granger 8040). I have two 8' 4 1/4oz. Pacemakers and one Powrpakt. The actions on these are very similar from rod to rod. I just recently found a 8' 4 1/4oz. Premium which has a noticeably faster action than the ... more other rods. The Premium's flex is focused very near the tip-mid ferrule, while the others seem to flex closer to the middle of the rod. Has any else experienced such variations from rod to rod? Is the variation more related to the different grade, or possibly date of manufacture? The premium is marked 4 1/4 oz HDH, while the others aren't marked at all. All the ads I could find (ie. CO Classic Cane) specify all the 8' varnished models at 4 1/4 oz. Appreciate your thoughts on this.

Brian T

Jun 6, 2010

The 9' bamboo rods are pretty subjective. Some really like them, others can't stand them. This even applies to rods made from one maker to the next. For example I have a 9' Phillipson Powr Pakt and really like that rod. I also had a 9' 2 1/2 F Heddon #14 for a while but ended up selling it since that rod just didn't do it for me. Other folks really like the 9' 2 1/2 F heddons. On the other hand I ... more have 3 of the 9' 2f heddons and those rods I really dig. I like those rods even more than the Granger 9050. I also had a 9' 346 South Bend and a 9' Weber and sold both rods shortly after buying them since I just didn't like either one. Brian

Jack A

Jun 6, 2010

I found a Phillipson Premium 8 ' 4 1/4 HDH . Looks new still in cloth case and aluminum tube. Curious about age and value.

Tom C

May 9, 2010

Almost certainly made between end of the war and 1950. You can use it, though most folks find the 9' bamboo rods a little heavy.

Rick

May 8, 2010

Looking for some info. I have my uncles Phillipson pacemaker â€œ51â€³, 9-5 5/8 HCH. Still hase the wrapping on the cork handle. The rod MIGHT have been used once or twice. Still has canvas and hard tube too. Dont know if I should use it or just look at it. What would the correct reel be for this rod anyway? Any info you could pass down would be great.ThanksRicknbsp;nbsp;(Quote) Not trying to sell, ... more been in the familly to long....just looking for some info on it...maybe when it was bought...uncle served on PT=109....just wondering.

Thomas R

May 8, 2010

May 8, 2010 I still have the Philllipson Paramount, 9ft., for sale. It is in almost pristine condition having been use only three or four times . I would ask only the reasonable going price -- usually ebay, whatever that may be. Reason for selling -- age and Ohio is not for fly fishing. T.R. Ford, Cadiz, Ohio, 1-740-942-2401. My e-mail would be the preferred contact.

Rick

May 7, 2010

Looking for some info. I have my uncles Phillipson pacemaker "51", 9-5 5/8 HCH. Still hase the wrapping on the cork handle. The rod MIGHT have been used once or twice. Still has canvas and hard tube too. Dont know if I should use it or just look at it. What would the correct reel be for this rod anyway? Any info you could pass down would be great. Thanks Rick

Shawn

Mar 8, 2010

Hi Tom, What is the length of your Paramount? Thanks, Shawn. (801) 350-1548 bennystaff@yahoo.com

Tom F

Mar 8, 2010

Having owned three Grangers and one Phillipson, I can't see any significant diference between the two brands when compared to wgts. and lengths. Currently the only significant difference seems to be Grangers are for collectors and Phillipsons are for collector-users. I grew up in New england and only knew fly fishing not as a snobbish sport, but as an enjoyable practicality. Now living in Applachia ... more among the spoils of the coal industry I will have to relinquish my faithful Phillipson Paramount, in pristine condition, to one who appreciates a great rod at a reasonable price. Any good offers? T. Ford

Michael G

Mar 8, 2010

Hi Tom - I just purchased a 8.5 3pc 5wt Phillipson EMHunter Approved rod and am awaiting its arrival. I really enjoyed reading your bury me series. Can you tell me anything about its history and what I can expect for casting etc...? Thanks! -Mike Gundel, Registered Maine Guide

Stuart O

Feb 28, 2010

I own 2 Phillipson rods and a old Wrightamp; McGill 3 peice,Granger Special. The Phillipson rods are both 7 and half ft. one a premium with the hammer handle and the other a peerless impregnated5 withthe torpedo handle, both of them with 2 tips. I love the feel just like my dad did.

Tom C

Dec 1, 2009

I always cringe when people ask me to offer estimates of value. At the height of the madness, I saw 8.5' Phillipsons listed at near $1K by the big rod dealers, which seems pretty ridiculously high. I love Phillipsons, but wouldn't spend a lot on a 9' rod until I'd fished one - you might discover you simply don't like them.

Heddon17

Dec 1, 2009

I think the 9' Phillipsons are currently worth around $250 or so depending on condition and model. When the economy started to crash in summer 08, the used bamboo rod market really took a hit. It seems to be coming back now, but it will slow down again until early Feb due to the holidays (always does). If you're planning on selling that rod, I'd wait until Feb and put it up for sale then. Brian

Greg H

Nov 30, 2009

If you look closely at the catalog page posted above you will see that the Dry Fly Specials are listed at 5 1/2 ounces and would be marked as such. The Dry Fly Special rods were introduced in 1952 which is the same year that the wrap colors on the Pacemakers were changed olive green tipped black. So a Pacemaker Dry Fly Special would have olive green tipped black wraps. The wrap colors are also noted ... more on the above catalog page.

Tom C

Nov 30, 2009

I never have received a cogent explanation about the number. Michael Sinclair (who would know about as well as anyone) suggested it was a code on the rod identifying a builder or inspector or other employee. It's tempting to think it's the year it was built, but the numbers don't always make sense that way. Does this rod have "Dry Fly Special" written anywhere?

John M

Nov 30, 2009

I recently came into possession of a Phillipson Pacemaker fly Rod HDH Line ,8 1/2 ft. , 5oz, with two tips and the Premium elliptical "hammer handle" which I plan to fish as soon as possible. There is the number 48 painted on the butt section just forwrd of the handle. What is the significance of this number?

Tom C

Sep 18, 2009

Blain: Greetings Tom- I recently purchased an 8 ft Phillipson Pacemaker.Being a newcomer to bamboo I have two questions for you: 1. Rod is flawless, except for a very small chip out of the varnish on the butt section (roughly 2 mm). Should I varnish over this, or can rod be fished as is?2.The only inscriptions on the butt section are â€œPhillipson Pacemakerâ€ and a small number â€œ68.â€No rod length, ... more weight, or line size.These are all listed on the paper label on the original tube.Was this the norm for early model Pacemakers?Thanks. I keep a small vial of a fast-drying, water-based "varnish" handy to repair just such chips (Gudebrod's rod varnish is good for this, though not much else). In your case, repair may not be critical, but remember that water isn't exactly a bamboo fly rod's friend, so keeping the varnish intact is a good thing. The trick is to apply a tiny bit, and to not muck up the finish around it. I used a toothpick. Good luck! It's a wonderful rod.

Blain

Sep 18, 2009

Greetings Tom- I recently purchased an 8 ft Phillipson Pacemaker. Being a newcomer to bamboo I have two questions for you: 1. Rod is flawless, except for a very small chip out of the varnish on the butt section (roughly 2 mm). Should I varnish over this, or can rod be fished as is? 2. The only inscriptions on the butt section are "Phillipson Pacemaker" and a small number "68." No rod length, weight, ... more or line size. These are all listed on the paper label on the original tube. Was this the norm for early model Pacemakers? Thanks.

Susan

Sep 17, 2009

Fishing with Great-Grandpa's Phillipson - priceless...

Tom C

Sep 17, 2009

Trisha Lloyd: We just recieved my great grandpa's 9â€²5â€ 5/8, it was used maybe 5 times if that. We were just curious on the value of that rod. There was no 9' 5" Phillipson rods (that I know of). It's probably a 9' (5 5/8oz), and value on the 9' Phillipsons wasn't great - probably less than $450. The bamboo market has definitely come down some lately, so may be a couple hundred less...

Trisha L

Sep 16, 2009

We just recieved my great grandpa's 9'5'' 5/8, it was used maybe 5 times if that. We were just curious on the value of that rod.

Tom C

Aug 18, 2009

I've answered most of the above comments via email. Grant Somers: I have a Phillipson Premium 7.5 ft with the letters HEH on the butt section. Does this refer to the line weight to use and what might that be, perhaps a 5 wt.It is a 3 3/4 oz rod in perfect condition.Thanks so much for any information. It's probably going to take a 5wt. I had a 7.5' Phillipson Premium and found it to be a pretty strong ... more 5wt.

Grant S

Aug 18, 2009

I have a Phillipson Premium 7.5 ft with the letters HEH on the butt section. Does this refer to the line weight to use and what might that be, perhaps a 5 wt. It is a 3 3/4 oz rod in perfect condition. Thanks so much for any information.

Thomas R

Aug 12, 2009

8-12-'09 Cadiz, Ohio I have a 9' or 91/2' Phillipson Paramount, 4 piece, flyrod with original cloth sleeve and aluminum case. This was pruchased new in Port Angeles, Washington in 1958 when participating in the Student Conservation group as a graduate student. This rod has been used c. only three or four times and stored since '58-'59. Ohio is not fly fishing country! I would be interested in selling ... more it to someone who would use and appreciate it for a reasonable price. If interested e-mail me at--cado43@gmail.com or call 1-740-942-2401

Butch M

Jul 25, 2009

i just found in an old friends shop a phillipson paragon,39 9-5 5/8 HCH.this is a three pice in a vinyl over cloth case,all in good condition. could you give me an appoximate value . thanks butch

Stephen O

May 29, 2009

Greetings. Trying to figure out this old Phillipson. The aluminum tube states "Phillipson P64S Spin Rod" but you can mount a reel in either of two places. Am I correct in my assumption that this is a "Combination" rod? Is this model bamboo or is it fiberglass? And the enevitible is it worth anything? I'm staging a tag sale next week for the benifit of the son of a recently departed friend and don't ... more want to undersell (grossly) the item. Hope to hear from you but understand if you find it a bother. Thanks. regards, s.o'n

Tom C

Apr 19, 2009

I once bought a Phillipson spinning rod from one of the "name" fly rod dealers, though because it had been poorly refinished as a fly rod, it wasn't clear to me (until I cast it). It was the same length as described, it made a horrible fly rod, and I don't have much of a hand on the value of the things.

Greg H

Apr 18, 2009

David, I found this info in Colorado Classic Cane. The Pacemaker Spinning rods look to have been introduced in 1949. They were 7' 2 piece rods weighing 4 3/4 oz. and sold for $22.50. I haven't found much more definite information but they were probably replaced in the mid fifties by fiberglass spinning rods.

David

Apr 18, 2009

I have found a phillipson pacemaker but it is not a fly rod. it appears to me to be a spinning rod. I say that because the reel mount is not on the end it is in the middle of the handle. It has on it "7-43/4" and the number 80. I havn't been able to find any information on this rod. could anyone help me out?

Greg H

Apr 14, 2009

The Phillipson Smuggler was a 7' 8" four piece one tip bamboo fly rod rated for a 5 or 6 wt. line. The so called hammer (or elliptical) handle was limited to the Paramount and Premium grade rods though no doubt could have been special ordered on other grades. This handle looks similar to the common full wells grip but differs in that the profile in cross section is egg shaped rather than round like ... more the full wells grip. A similar grip was used on some of the shorter Granger rods though I think it was more of a flattened full wells rather than the egg shape of the Phillipson grip. The age of a Phillipson Pacemaker can be narrowed down by the color of the guide wraps. From 1946 to 1951 the wraps were green nylon with yellow tipping. In 1952 the wrap colors changed to olive green tipped black. I think that by 1953 or 1954 the varnished rods had pretty much disappeared, at least from the Phillipson catalogs.

Tom C

Apr 14, 2009

Doug E.: I am guessing that this rod was made between 1945 and 1961 (the change of the line rating standard). It will be interesting to see what it fetches. Almost certainly made before 1952, and remember - $27.25 and you don't have to bother with all that messy online selling stuff. No need to thank me.

Doug E

Apr 14, 2009

Tom amp; kbarton10: Thanks for your input! The information is greatly appreciated. I am guessing that this rod was made between 1945 and 1961 (the change of the line rating standard). It will be interesting to see what it fetches. Thanks again!

Tom C

Apr 13, 2009

Most of the 8' Phillipsons cast a DT5 nicely, so try it with a 5 and 6 and see what you think. As for value, if you're interested in sending it to a certain fly fishing blogger as thanks for a job well done, I'd suggest it's worth about $27.25, though in a grand gesture, I'd also pay shipping. If you're interested in selling it to a Phillipson fan, the price can vary widely, but perhaps $400-$800 ... more is a good range (the high end probably won't be reached by a Pacemaker, but you never know).Good luck!

Kbarton10

Apr 13, 2009

If memory serves an HDH is a modern day AFTMA #6. "HDH" used to standard for the taper diameters, H = 0.25, D = 0.45 ... but manufacturers started playing games with the letter-diameter nomenclature - so the American Fly Tackle Manufacturing Association developed the current number standard. Now the manufacturers are at it again... More information on the old line standards and measurement can be ... more found here. http://books.google.com/books?id=Cc6bHeUtMxwCamp;pg=PA38amp;lpg=PA38amp;dq=HDH+line+sizeamp;source=blamp;ots=-FPcVrxf2Hamp;sig=_Zo57JgNiXyPtJpfs-vdpRzVLaA#PPA37,M1

Doug E

Apr 13, 2009

Tom I have never been much of a fisherman, but enjoyed your writeup while researching about a rod I just came into possession of. It is a Pacemaker 8' 4 1/2" HDH, 3 section with extra tip, hammer handle, green aluminum reel base, 4 slot canvas bag, fiber tube with gray metal cap and the Philipson Pacemaker Rods label on it. It appears to be varnished (my guess) and looks almost unused. There are no ... more signs that a reel has ever been put on it. I was wondering, what does the "HDH" stand for and what do you think it might be worth?

Mike C

Mar 14, 2009

Sorry Tom, I forgot to ask if you know what the #78 stands for. Could this be an 8' 7 wieght or is it the 78th rod built? If so, how do I find out what wieght it is? Thanks, Mike

Mike C

Mar 14, 2009

Hi Tom, Very nice article, I recently inherited a Phillipson Power Pakt. The only other identifying mark on the rod is the #78 on the opposite side. It is what I believe to be a 3-piece 8' rod with extra tip. Each section measures 32.5" from tip to butt. It seems to be all original and in good shape with some minor scuffs. The reel seat is most likely bakelite with what seems to be aluminum down locking ... more components. The ferrules need some cleaning and never owning a bamboo rod before I was hoping you could give me some tips on cleaning so I don't damage the rod. Also, if you could give me a general Idea of value I would appreciate it. Thank you, Mike

Tom C

Mar 7, 2009

No, I've never seen intermediates on a Phillipson. I doubt Bill Phillipson - who wanted to make great fly rods that didn't cost a lot - would think much of the idea. It's hard to tell from your picture, but I'm not sure if those ferrules look very original. You really have to be careful when you buy a "refinished" bamboo rod (ask me how I know). They can have lots of weird parts stuck together (I ... more bought one with tips that had probably been cut down from a 9' rod).

Benjamin B

Mar 7, 2009

Thanks much Tom - you are correct about the refinish. While we're on the subject, I've never seen another Paramount for comparison - do you know if what appears to be clear intermediates ( visible between the ferrules and guides) in this pic are original? Thanks again, BB. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImageamp;friendID=56924803amp;albumID=790774amp;imageID=46010441

Tom C

Mar 6, 2009

@Benjamin: I've heard conflicting stories, but those numbers are often attributed to the person inspecting or wrapping the rod. In this case, the proximity to the wrap suggests the rod may have been refinished. @Dick: I believe the Challenger is a fiberglass rod. Phillipson made fine glass rods, though they weren't the subject of these articles.

DICK N

Mar 6, 2009

TOM I HAVE PHILLIPSON CHALLENGER FLY ROD IT IS 102 INCH LONG ,I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF FISH TO FISH FOR WITH THIS ROD OR WHAT TYPE OF LINE TO USE. AFTER READING YOUR ARTICALS I AM EXCITED TO TRY THIS POLE OUT

Benjamin B

Mar 4, 2009

Oops - try this link instead . . . http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImageamp;friendID=56924803amp;albumID=790774amp;imageID=45919033# Thanks : )

Benjamin B

Mar 4, 2009

Great artcile!!! I just acquired a Pacemaker 8' - Do you know the signifigance of these markings: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhotoamp;albumID=790774amp;imageID=45919033amp;MyToken=f1d4cfa8-4f24-4017-a8a2-9bdc40499bac It looks like a tiny a7.

Steve H

Mar 2, 2009

Tom, Thanks for the articles and info.. I would like to identify a Sports Castle "St. Regis" 8 1/2' Line #6 or 7 (3 pc) bamboo fly rod in script which looks a lot like the Phillipson script on rods pictured. It most likely had a 2nd tip but I only have one. Also the stripping guide which I believe to be original is very small diameter like ones used for silk fly line. I believe it may be made by Fred ... more DeBell and has many of the characteristics of Phillipson rods, blanks, ferrules, etc. It is heavier than most Phillipsons I have owned or read about. What can anyone tell me about it? It has yellow (gold) wraps with blood red tipping. The reel seat is downlocking, silver at the top and the spacer is black aluminum. Tight Lines, Steve

David P

Dec 18, 2008

Tom, Thank you for the response to my inquery. I have taken pictures of the markings as well as measurements of the rod. Would it be an imposition by me to request your e-mail address so I can email you these photos and measurements? My email address is: david_a_priest@yahoo.com Thanks again for your help. Dave

Tom C

Dec 7, 2008

David: I don't believe Phillipson made an 8' 8wt bamboo rod, and without a clear picture of the markings, I can't be sure about the length or weight of your rod (Phillipson cane rods often contained a "weight"marking that referred to the blank's weight). Without more information, I can't begin to speculate as to price.

David P

Dec 6, 2008

Tom, I enjoyed reading your articles on the history of the Phillipson flyrods. I own a Phillipson PowrPakt that I purchased about 15 years ago. The rod is in very good to excellent condition. It is a three section rod with two tips. I brought it to an Orvis dealer friend of mine who was the grandson of the founder of the Shakespeare company in Kalamazoo, Michigan for an appraisal. He described the ... more rod as very good to excellent with some discoloration of the handle (hammer style) and only one minor varnish chip on the middle section of the rod. The only marking for weight and length of the rod are two figure 8's on the opposite of the rods' Phillipson PowrPakt script. Can I assume this means an 8' 8wt.? I've never fished the rod, primarily because of not knowing the actual age and being a bit protective of the rod. Also, from reading your article, these apparently have come up in cost as collectibles. What is your guess on the approximate value? Again, thanks for your very thorough research and I would appreciate your input to my query. Regard, David Priest

Tom C

Nov 13, 2008

John: Phillipson didn't start the Phillipson Rod Company until after WWII, so yours - without the locking reel seat - sounds like it could have been made early in the Phillipson Rod Company's history (or it's a custom number, which isn't that uncommon). Cool stuff.

John

Nov 13, 2008

in reading about phllipson rods, it brought back a time when phillipson sold to wright amp; mc gill. During ww11 i worked for a tent and awing co in greeley co. the owner had started to sell sporting goods during the great depresion and he carried both the granger and phillipson line. at twelve years of age i purchaced a phillipson 8.5 phillipson rod and still have it. it does not have a locking reel ... more seat but I still use it when i go fishing on the north platte river at saratoga wy. I rember the first large trout, german brown 9lb 3 oz. i caught using a potts hair fly, sandy mite. It took 1 hr 7 min to land that fish, when i released him i was worn out as was wiley brown, what a thrill. I still have that rod and will never sell it, it goes to my grand son.

Craig L

Nov 11, 2008

Great information! I was especially intrigued by your comments on the private label rods. I inherited an Abercrombie and Fitch Smuggler 3 in 1 rod that I am having trouble getting information on. Could this be a re-labeled Phillipson Smuggler? Any help is appreciated.

Tom C

Oct 23, 2008

Tim: Let us know how you like it. The 8.5' Phillipsons aren't for everyone, but if they fit your style, they're amazing rods. Fish one during a #22 BWO hatch, and enjoy the ride.

Tim C

Oct 23, 2008

Tom: Thanks so much for this great article. Because of it, I just acquired an 8.5 Pacemaker. The rod is varnished with a black tenite seat. The handle is a full wells without a thumb indent. It is as new with no sign of ever being used. I can't wait to begin a relationship with it.

Tom C

Aug 25, 2008

Jim: Very cool. The 9.5' Phillipson seem fairly rare, though they're probably not worth a lot given the weight. What model is it?

Jim D

Aug 24, 2008

Thanks for your research. I inherited a 9.5' from my Grandfather - brand new in a metal tube. I must have used it for 5 years before I finally lost my nerve and retired it. It is SO amazing. I'm afraid of busting a tip even though there is a spare. It's great to hear about the background - something now to print off and keep with the rod that reminds me of my grandfather and the rest of the Curt Gowdy ... more and Sam Mavrakis Sr. generation from Wy.

Tom C

May 14, 2008

Yes, it's a good choice and the price range you mentioned makes it very attractive. Replacing the ferrule isn't difficult, though if you don't have experience, consider sending it to a pro builder for repair. It will be a great rod for small crappie flies and smaller poppers normally used for smallmouth, though when it comes to the really big, non-aerodynamic bass bugs, a 5wt is a little on the light ... more side. Do it!

Samuel P

May 14, 2008

Terrific set of articles. I just encountered a Phillipson Paragon (8", three pieces, two tips) at a local second hand store. The one tip was missing a ferrule. It was in servicable shape and am considering buying it for the equivalent of two tanks of gasoline. How difficult is it to replace said ferrule and, as the local waters contain notable smallmouth and crappie, do you think it would be a good ... more choice? Thanks.

Tom C

Apr 17, 2008

Susan: $10? You got a deal. I can't identify the reel from your description; if you send a picture, I might be able to help. As for modern reels, I'm not really a stickler for period reels on bamboo rods. If you are, then an earlier, American-made Medalist reel is a good choice, as is the more-expensive Hardy Princess. There are a bazillion modern reels that would work well on that rod, and it's really ... more a matter of preference.

Susan T

Apr 17, 2008

Thanks so much for this article! I've been wondering about my rod for a while. I own a Phillipson Pacemaker "51" 8 1/2-5 HDH with a hammer handle and green anodized seat which I acquired at an auction for $10. I love fishing with this rod. I've got both tips, the bag, tube and reel. I usually use the one that came with the rod. It's stamped "Made in U.S.A.", black paint, white plastic (maybe ceramic?) ... more handle, drag set. it's pretty beat up and I'm thinking about replacing it. Any info on reels for this rod or my original reel?

5X

Feb 8, 2008

Want a Phillipson bargain? Keep on the prowl for Fred DeBell's bamboo rods that were assembled with Phillipson blanks and ferrules.

Tom C

Jan 23, 2008

Dennis: I've never even held a 9.5' Phillipson, which isn't all that common a rod. I would say fish whichever line feels best -- the translation from silk to modern lines has been somewhat inexact, and the bamboo rods can typically handle a pretty wide range anyway. That Orvis silk line sounds pretty good -- especially given that the most high-tech of modern fly lines (SA's Sharkskin) is well on its ... more way to imitating the textured finish of silk... 8-)

Dennis B

Jan 22, 2008

Tom, That was the most comprehensive article I've seen regarding Ted and his rods. I really enjoyed it. Tom I have a 9'1/2 6 1/4 HCH Paramount 51 Hammer Handle. Do I use 6 or 7 wt. line on it today. Or could I use a DT HCH Orvis Oiled Silk fly line that I also have on it?

Tom C

Nov 5, 2007

Warren: I have two Premiums with the hammer grip, and despite its somewhat small size, it absolutely disappears in the hand. Great stuff. As for why it's on a Pacemaker, keep in mind that the "production" shops of yesteryear aren't quite as rigid as today's fly rod production lines, and apparently it was fairly common for Phillipson and Granger to custom produce a rod now and then for a good customer. ... more At least that's one possible explanation.

Warren G

Nov 5, 2007

I have a 8.5 foot varnished Pacemaker with a hammer grip. Rod is in a fiber tube and green canvas rod sack. Tube cap is a painted gray. On the cap's inside you can see a partial Beech Nut logo (as in smokeless tobacco). My question is whether/why/when Phillipson produced Pacemakers with a hammer grip. No other markings on the rod. Rod, marking and grip all look original. I've owned the rod since '92. ... more And, it's fun owning something from a good outfit like Phillipson. Enjoyed the articles. Thks, Warren in StL

Tom C

Sep 4, 2007

The bamboo rod could be almost anything. If you could take some pictures of the reel seat and grip, then maybe we could determine something, but as it is, we don't have much to go on. Good luck at Ricks.

Michael L

Sep 4, 2007

Thanks for the information Tom. When I bought the rod there was also a 6-sided bamboo rod, actually several pieces (3 end sections anyway),however, I don't see any manufacturer logo on the rod....I "think" it might be a phillipson also, since it was all together?? I also got a oren-o-matic reel that is in real good shape, model 1140D. I think I will take it all by Ricks Rods here in Denver and see ... more what they have to say.

Tom C

Sep 3, 2007

Michel: That's an 8.5' rod, so it should be 102" when assembled. That's also a glass rod, and failing more information, I can't give you much of an idea. A good place for information (and to sell the thing) might be the Fiberglass fly rod board: http://p099.ezboard.com/bfiberglassflyrodders? Good luck! The Phillipsons glass rods are gaining a little momentum on the pricing front.

Bamboo B

Sep 3, 2007

I send people to Ricks Rods in Denver for Phillipson.....I have no business connection with Ricks Rods but...they do good work and have a great selection of thread for the rods....

Tom C

Jun 7, 2007

David S: Glad you liked the piece and the new rod. Phillipsons aren't cheap anymore, but they're still less expensive than most of the other vintage cane, and -- adding Phillipson's the more interesting stories about Phillipson (see Part II) to the mix -- they're a bargain.

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